Comments on: Vintage find: Carpenter’s Elements of Rhetoric and English Composition (1909) http://canadianbaconbarbie.com/2008/02/vintage-find-carpenters-elements-of-rhetoric-and-english-composition-1909/ Sun, 13 Jun 2010 10:07:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: topspun http://canadianbaconbarbie.com/2008/02/vintage-find-carpenters-elements-of-rhetoric-and-english-composition-1909/comment-page-1/#comment-364 topspun Fri, 15 Feb 2008 02:45:13 +0000 http://canadianbaconbarbie.com/2008/02/vintage-find-carpenters-elements-of-rhetoric-and-english-composition-1909/#comment-364 Just read your article in RSQ. Good stuff! Just read your article in RSQ. Good stuff!

]]> By: chris http://canadianbaconbarbie.com/2008/02/vintage-find-carpenters-elements-of-rhetoric-and-english-composition-1909/comment-page-1/#comment-345 chris Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:13:58 +0000 http://canadianbaconbarbie.com/2008/02/vintage-find-carpenters-elements-of-rhetoric-and-english-composition-1909/#comment-345 I like this distinction, J. And maybe it's not so dissimilar from what I was aiming for. The distinction (I think) I'm making is in the vein of Stephen North (though it's been a few years since I read Making of Knowledge): I'm thinking "understanding" would be something like a synthesis of both knowledge and application. I'm playing around here, but understanding would be something like the ability to talk about AND perform (or, if you prefere: rhetorician AND rhetor). I don't know that "understand" is necessarily the appropriate word. Maybe something more akin to "wisdom." Maybe. Struggling with stated/unstated is something I'll probably be doing later this week. And it's in this context that I might be considering a third term. I'm working on composing Part III of Bourdieu and Literacy as Activity right now. [That, fyi, is the context of my original comment above.] It's not high on my list of priorities for thoughts to be fleshed out. So thanks for letting me play around here! I like this distinction, J. And maybe it’s not so dissimilar from what I was aiming for. The distinction (I think) I’m making is in the vein of Stephen North (though it’s been a few years since I read Making of Knowledge):
I’m thinking “understanding” would be something like a synthesis of both knowledge and application. I’m playing around here, but understanding would be something like the ability to talk about AND perform (or, if you prefere: rhetorician AND rhetor). I don’t know that “understand” is necessarily the appropriate word. Maybe something more akin to “wisdom.” Maybe.

Struggling with stated/unstated is something I’ll probably be doing later this week. And it’s in this context that I might be considering a third term. I’m working on composing Part III of Bourdieu and Literacy as Activity right now. [That, fyi, is the context of my original comment above.] It’s not high on my list of priorities for thoughts to be fleshed out. So thanks for letting me play around here!

]]> By: Megan http://canadianbaconbarbie.com/2008/02/vintage-find-carpenters-elements-of-rhetoric-and-english-composition-1909/comment-page-1/#comment-342 Megan Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:47:43 +0000 http://canadianbaconbarbie.com/2008/02/vintage-find-carpenters-elements-of-rhetoric-and-english-composition-1909/#comment-342 Erm, well, about thrift stores - you have to come visit me next time you're home. There's a mennonite thrift store in town that has a whole wall stuffed with old dishes. I'm coveting some cool pitcher & glasses sets in coloured glass (amber, green, or turquoise) and a teapot with matching cream and sugar. Erm, well, about thrift stores – you have to come visit me next time you’re home. There’s a mennonite thrift store in town that has a whole wall stuffed with old dishes. I’m coveting some cool pitcher & glasses sets in coloured glass (amber, green, or turquoise) and a teapot with matching cream and sugar.

]]> By: Jordynn http://canadianbaconbarbie.com/2008/02/vintage-find-carpenters-elements-of-rhetoric-and-english-composition-1909/comment-page-1/#comment-340 Jordynn Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:30:26 +0000 http://canadianbaconbarbie.com/2008/02/vintage-find-carpenters-elements-of-rhetoric-and-english-composition-1909/#comment-340 In the next section, Carpenter says that rhetoric is also "to some extent" a science. Then he distinguishes between rhetoric (as the principles of the art) and composition (as the skill in applying these principles). So I guess there is a non-necessary relationship between knowing and acting. You may or may not be able to articulate the principles behind an effective paragraph or what have you. But I'm not sure how this relates to understanding... In the next section, Carpenter says that rhetoric is also “to some extent” a science. Then he distinguishes between rhetoric (as the principles of the art) and composition (as the skill in applying these principles). So I guess there is a non-necessary relationship between knowing and acting. You may or may not be able to articulate the principles behind an effective paragraph or what have you. But I’m not sure how this relates to understanding…

]]> By: chris http://canadianbaconbarbie.com/2008/02/vintage-find-carpenters-elements-of-rhetoric-and-english-composition-1909/comment-page-1/#comment-330 chris Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:58:49 +0000 http://canadianbaconbarbie.com/2008/02/vintage-find-carpenters-elements-of-rhetoric-and-english-composition-1909/#comment-330 Lately I've been passively considering the stated/unstated. Your excerpt makes me think... does "understanding" = "knowing" in the sense that one can articulate what it is that they are capable of "applying"? My question in your comments section is a bit out of context. even so... Lately I’ve been passively considering the stated/unstated. Your excerpt makes me think… does “understanding” = “knowing” in the sense that one can articulate what it is that they are capable of “applying”?

My question in your comments section is a bit out of context. even so…

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